Myself I like the wobblers and painted, if I use copper I put it in a glass of water for a week first, and NEVER have luck with nickle... Now my spoon Jedi master says lil, cleos or nuthin, myself I don't like the cleos, but they work. Spoons have tought me how much color matters with steelhead, and it also tought me how much these fish like green and yellow combos and red and yellow combos. My son spray painted a daredevile with flat black primer, hook and all... he has hooked up at least 6 times this year with it... he just can't get them to his feet.