Yup, what dtikey said. I still like matzuos, I have caught quite a few fish on them and seem to have a nice deep hook set and are very Sharp, but the harsh bend after the shank to make the sickle shape makes a much weaker point then just a curve that an octopus hook owner hook has. So I have had quite a few break on just simple snags and on a few fish as well :/ All I know is I have never had major/consistent issues with owners as I have had with matzuos....